Someone once lived here... And the house number is lucky – 7...
Vera Ketova, Maybe someone comes in the summer... They used to plant and grow potatoes for themselves, but now it's rare. The house with three windows remains, but times have changed...
Vera Ketova, Maybe some people come in the summer... They used to plant and grow potatoes for themselves, but now it's rare. The house with three windows remains, but times have changed...
Alexander Chumakov, looking at the abandoned buildings, my heart sinks...
Vera Ketova, Yes, Vera, it's a sad picture. But here, in black and white, it's even more dramatic.
In fact, in villages, especially those closer to the cities, life goes on.
Alexander Chumakov, in the city you can find work and rental housing, but in villages there isn't... Alexander, the link didn't work, unfortunately. I believe it's better not to watch black and white at night.🙈
[quote]Alexander Chumakov, so you can find work in the city
Vera Ketova, For thousands of years, the village fed the city, and the cities were villages. What kind of work is there in the city now, selling Chinese consumer goods or handing out flyers at the metro?
Alexander Chumakov, so you can find work in the city.
Vera Ketova, For thousands of years, the village fed the city, and cities were villages. What kind of work is there in the city now, selling Chinese consumer goods or handing out flyers at the metro?
Viktor Kirillov, well, Viktor, at least a few pittances, rather than empty pockets. There are no jobs in the villages at all; the young people are leaving. Yes, the village used to feed the city, but now "abroad" feeds the city, and the city doesn't need it, the village. That's the whole bedtime story. 🙈
Viktor Kirillov, well, Viktor, at least such a small amount is better than empty pockets. There are no jobs in the villages at all, the young people are leaving. Yes, the village used to feed the city, but now "abroad" feeds the city, and the city doesn't need it, the village. That's the whole bedtime story.
Vera Ketova, We had a poultry farm, the largest in Europe, supplying chickens and eggs to Samara, a city of millions, then Yeltsin gave us Bush's legs, and 1,500 workers were left without jobs, and the village without electricity, gas, and other social services. Renowned poultry farmers, heroes of labor, now work as taxi drivers and street cleaners, collect garbage in the village and clear snow with shovels. The work is useful and necessary, but it produces nothing except the expenditure of BUDGET money.
Vera Ketova, We had a poultry farm, the largest in Europe, supplying chickens and eggs to Samara, a city of millions. Then Yeltsin gave us Bush's legs, and fifteen hundred workers were left without jobs, and the village without electricity, gas, and other social services. Renowned poultry farmers, heroes of labor, now work as taxi drivers and street cleaners, collecting trash in the village and shoveling snow. The work is useful and necessary, but it produces nothing but waste of BUDGET money.
Viktor Kirillov, Every year my wife and I drive about 80 km to tend to the graves of her grandparents. Yes, we see abandoned cowsheds along the way, but a few years ago, a huge modern pig farm was built nearby before our very eyes. And in the village we're visiting, they've renovated the old barns and built new ones, meaning they're keeping a larger herd than the collective farm used to. Almost all the fields along the way are plowed and seeded.
Alexander Chumakov, so you can find work in the city.
Vera Ketova, For thousands of years, the village fed the city, and the cities were villages. What kind of work is there in the city now, selling Chinese consumer goods or handing out flyers at the metro?
Viktor Kirillov, Almost all large defense enterprises are operating smoothly. They, along with the extractive industry, are the driving forces of the economy. If things were as you say, Viktor Ilyich, "bread, butter, and sausage" would start disappearing from the stores. And they're definitely not Chinese now.
Viktor Kirillov, Every year my wife and I travel about 80 km to tend to her grandparents' graves. Yes, we see abandoned cowsheds along the way, but a few years ago, a huge modern pig farm was built nearby before our very eyes. And in the village we visit, they've renovated the old barns and built new ones, meaning they keep a larger herd than the collective farm used to. Almost all the fields along the way are plowed and seeded.
Alexander Chumakov, This is all wonderful, if you don't know who owns these agroholdings and which offshore companies are channeling 99% of their profits, which could otherwise remain in the country and contribute to the Russian economy, not to foreign banks.
Alexander Chumakov, This is all wonderful, if you don't know who owns these agroholdings and to what offshore companies 99% of all profits are being funneled, profits that could otherwise remain in the country and benefit the Russian economy, not foreign banks.
Viktor Kirillov, Foreign investment in the domestic economy is a dream come true! As you say, Viktor, it turns out dreams do come true!
[quote]Viktor Kirillov, Almost all major defense enterprises are operating smoothly. Together with the mining industry, they are the driving forces of the economy.
Alexander Chumakov, We probably live in different countries. We certainly produce tanks and bombs, but we've run out of tractors and civil aviation. For some reason, all the aluminum belongs to Diripaska, who sold it to the Americans. The Samara Metallurgical Plant isn't Russian either. Butter and sausage are produced on our land, but the farmer pays for fuel and loans to the "Panama Bank." I've already tired everyone here with my political economy and stories about Abramovichs, but it's absolutely obvious that we've long been a colony and a raw materials appendage. The owners, of course, feed the population with synthetic ersatz products of agro-chemical production in order to avoid bread riots, but don't flatter yourself, your grandchildren will still be paying for the imposed loan.
Viktor Kirillov, Almost all major defense enterprises are operating smoothly. Together with the mining industry, they are the driving forces of the economy.
Alexander Chumakov, We probably live in different countries. We certainly produce tanks and bombs, but we've run out of tractors and civil aviation. For some reason, all the aluminum belongs to Diripaska, who sold it to the Americans. The Samara Metallurgical Plant isn't Russian either. Butter and sausage are produced on our land, but the farmer pays for fuel and loans to the "Panama Bank." I've already tired everyone here with my political economy and stories about Abramovich, but it's perfectly clear that we've long been a colony and a raw materials appendage. The owners, of course, feed the population synthetic ersatz agrochemical products to avoid bread riots, but don't flatter yourself, your grandchildren will be paying for the forced loan.
Viktor Kirillov, You and I live in Russia, Viktor, and are practically fellow countrymen. I've had the chance to travel around, not just by car. In the Lipetsk and Voronezh regions, and the Krasnodar Territory, agriculture never declined because the black soil—that is, the harvests—is money, just don't be lazy and dig deep to get them. There's no free, uncultivated land—I've seen it myself. We drove through Mordovia and the Penza region—livestock farms off the roads, and the smell is quite something. As the saying goes: it's good in your native land, it smells of hay and shit. The correct term is manure. There are other examples. And who complained about the aluminum shortage?
And who was complaining about the aluminum shortage?[/quote] Alexander Chumakov, For years now, TV has been telling us about some Russian medium-range Superjet, but we're still flying used Boeings, because, as it turns out, we don't have our own aluminum to make wings, let alone the other components. And you say the defense industry is working, raw materials are being extracted, it's the engine of the economy... Whose economy? Even if, as you say, our agriculture and pig farms are OK, it still can't be a sovereign state without heavy and medium industry, and tanks and bombs won't save the RUBLE. Gref himself keeps his personal money not in SBERBANK, but in offshore accounts, and you say, " "the smell is something else," this means that sanitary standards are not being observed, groundwater is being poisoned, and we eat and drink all this and complain about poor healthcare.
And who was complaining about the aluminum shortage? Alexander Chumakov, For years now, TV has been telling us about some Russian medium-range Superjet, but we're still flying used Boeings, because, as it turns out, we don't have our own aluminum to make wings, let alone the other components. And you say the defense industry is working, raw materials are being extracted, it's the engine of the economy... whose economy? Even if, as you say, our agriculture and pig farms are OK, an agrarian country without heavy and medium industry can't be a sovereign power, and tanks and bombs won't save the RUBLE. Gref himself keeps his personal money not in SBERBANK, but in offshore accounts, and you say, " "The smell is something else," it means sanitary standards aren't being followed, groundwater is being poisoned, and yet we eat and drink all this and complain about poor healthcare.
Viktor Kirillov, It's easy to explain the defense industry in simple terms: The state finances the defense industry, the defense industry buys raw materials, components, and equipment, including from domestic producers, i.e., the money has moved further. The defense industry pays salaries, which are then channeled into trade and beyond. The defense industry pays taxes, etc. It's simple. Agrarian countries don't produce missiles, planes, tanks, etc.
You're surprised, Viktor. I didn't know you were on first-name terms with Gref's treasurer.
As for the smell, Viktor, it's the same with cows. I had to personally clean out the cowsheds when I worked as an engineer at the design bureau.
As for the smell, Viktor, cows have it all their own way. I used to clean the cowsheds myself when I worked as an engineer at the design bureau. [/quote] Alexander Chumakov, The problem isn't the smell. To prevent manure from getting into the ground with meltwater, special treatment facilities are needed, concrete... barns with a high level of protection. Mirotorg builds its pig barns where it's completely forbidden, next to a river and a water intake. Tell me, why is it that I, a citizen of such a great power with missiles and tanks, get a pension of 9,400 rubles, while my mother, who worked her whole life in cow barns and piggeries, gets 15,800 rubles, including veteran's benefits and indexations?!
As for the smell, Victor, cows have it all their own way. I used to clean cowsheds myself when I worked as an engineer at the design bureau. Alexander Chumakov, The problem isn't the smell. To prevent manure from getting into the soil with meltwater, special treatment facilities are needed, concrete... barns with a high level of protection. Mirotorg builds its pig barns where it's absolutely forbidden, next to a river and a water intake. Tell me, why is it that I, a citizen of such a great power with missiles and tanks, get a pension of 9,400 rubles, while my mother, who worked her entire life in cowsheds and piggeries, gets 15,800 rubles, including veteran's benefits and indexation?
Viktor Kirillov, It's right that you, Viktor Ilyich, abandoned demagoguery (i.e., defending false truths) and moved on to the actual figures you possess. I assume you were assigned such a pension due to your short proven work record. I don't know the reasons for this; you know best.
Yes, Viktor Ilyich, you're right about the meager pensions of rural workers. It's outrageous! And even before that, I remember my grandmother's pension was in Soviet money - either 9 or 11 rubles, that was when a half-liter bottle of vodka already cost 3-62.
Even before that, I remember my grandmother's pension in Soviet currency – either 9 or 11 rubles, back when a half-liter of 3-62 cost already. [/quote] Alexander Chumakov, Absolutely right, with just one significant difference: Chubais, the electrician, and Abramovich, the chairman, had salaries only one and a half times higher than my father, a first-class tractor driver and mechanic. Well, maybe some special rations and a trip to Crimea... and that's it. No yachts or mansions in Nice. All the wealth, including the crystal chandelier and carpet, was on the collective farm. And if someone here and there..., it was called theft, not business, with the corresponding consequences. The country lived by a single goal, and the costs of tanks and missiles were shared equally among everyone. And about Gref, this is completely open, official information; you can find out for yourself who owns half of the shares of the “state” bank.
Even before, I remember my grandmother's pension in Soviet currency – either 9 or 11 rubles, back when a half-liter of 3-62 was already worth it. Alexander Chumakov, Absolutely right, with just one significant difference: Chubais, the electrician, and Abramovich, the chairman, had salaries only one and a half times higher than my father, a first-class tractor driver and mechanic. Well, maybe some special rations and a trip to Crimea... and that's it. No yachts or mansions in Nice. All the wealth, including the crystal chandelier and carpet, was on the collective farm. And if someone here and there..., it was called theft, not business, with the corresponding consequences. The country lived by a single goal, and the costs of tanks and missiles were shared equally among everyone. As for Gref, this is completely open, official information; you can find out for yourself who owns half of the shares in the "state" bank.
Viktor Kirillov, Regarding the collapse and plunder, I completely agree with your statement. I just don't quite understand why such a country was so easily destroyed and plundered. Why so easily? Why did the Chubais brothers come to power? Or were there serious preconditions?
I just don't quite understand why such a country was so easily destroyed and plundered. Why so easily? Why did Chubais come to power? Or were there serious preconditions? [/quote] Alexander Chumakov, And because global imperialism threw all its resources into the fight against the USSR, it was a thorn in the side of the Soviet Union for 70 years, an example to the entire world that humanity could develop in a different way. The socialist economy still had "friendly countries" and other undecided countries on its balance sheet, exorbitant expenditures on arms (and back then, this was a truly necessary burden). If the USSR had carried out a NEP-style economic reform, with private ownership of the means of production, small and medium-sized businesses, we would now have some kind of "Sweden or Norway" And why, easy?, as always, the people are dark and ignorant, betrayal and bribery, global lies and naive belief in freebies and free cheese.
In fact, in villages, especially those closer to the cities, life goes on.
Vera Ketova,
For thousands of years, the village fed the city, and the cities were villages. What kind of work is there in the city now, selling Chinese consumer goods or handing out flyers at the metro?
We had a poultry farm, the largest in Europe, supplying chickens and eggs to Samara, a city of millions, then Yeltsin gave us Bush's legs, and 1,500 workers were left without jobs, and the village without electricity, gas, and other social services. Renowned poultry farmers, heroes of labor, now work as taxi drivers and street cleaners, collect garbage in the village and clear snow with shovels. The work is useful and necessary, but it produces nothing except the expenditure of BUDGET money.
This is all wonderful, if you don't know who owns these agroholdings and which offshore companies are channeling 99% of their profits, which could otherwise remain in the country and contribute to the Russian economy, not to foreign banks.
Alexander Chumakov,
We probably live in different countries. We certainly produce tanks and bombs, but we've run out of tractors and civil aviation. For some reason, all the aluminum belongs to Diripaska, who sold it to the Americans. The Samara Metallurgical Plant isn't Russian either. Butter and sausage are produced on our land, but the farmer pays for fuel and loans to the "Panama Bank."
I've already tired everyone here with my political economy and stories about Abramovichs, but it's absolutely obvious that we've long been a colony and a raw materials appendage. The owners, of course, feed the population with synthetic ersatz products of agro-chemical production in order to avoid bread riots, but don't flatter yourself, your grandchildren will still be paying for the imposed loan.
Alexander Chumakov,
For years now, TV has been telling us about some Russian medium-range Superjet, but we're still flying used Boeings, because, as it turns out, we don't have our own aluminum to make wings, let alone the other components. And you say the defense industry is working, raw materials are being extracted, it's the engine of the economy... Whose economy? Even if, as you say, our agriculture and pig farms are OK, it still can't be a sovereign state without heavy and medium industry, and tanks and bombs won't save the RUBLE. Gref himself keeps his personal money not in SBERBANK, but in offshore accounts, and you say, " "the smell is something else," this means that sanitary standards are not being observed, groundwater is being poisoned, and we eat and drink all this and complain about poor healthcare.
Agrarian countries don't produce missiles, planes, tanks, etc.
You're surprised, Viktor. I didn't know you were on first-name terms with Gref's treasurer.
As for the smell, Viktor, it's the same with cows. I had to personally clean out the cowsheds when I worked as an engineer at the design bureau.
Alexander Chumakov,
The problem isn't the smell. To prevent manure from getting into the ground with meltwater, special treatment facilities are needed, concrete... barns with a high level of protection. Mirotorg builds its pig barns where it's completely forbidden, next to a river and a water intake.
Tell me, why is it that I, a citizen of such a great power with missiles and tanks, get a pension of 9,400 rubles, while my mother, who worked her whole life in cow barns and piggeries, gets 15,800 rubles, including veteran's benefits and indexations?!
Yes, Viktor Ilyich, you're right about the meager pensions of rural workers. It's outrageous! And even before that, I remember my grandmother's pension was in Soviet money - either 9 or 11 rubles, that was when a half-liter bottle of vodka already cost 3-62.
Alexander Chumakov,
Absolutely right, with just one significant difference: Chubais, the electrician, and Abramovich, the chairman, had salaries only one and a half times higher than my father, a first-class tractor driver and mechanic. Well, maybe some special rations and a trip to Crimea... and that's it. No yachts or mansions in Nice. All the wealth, including the crystal chandelier and carpet, was on the collective farm. And if someone here and there..., it was called theft, not business, with the corresponding consequences. The country lived by a single goal, and the costs of tanks and missiles were shared equally among everyone. And about Gref, this is completely open, official information; you can find out for yourself who owns half of the shares of the “state” bank.
Alexander Chumakov,
And because global imperialism threw all its resources into the fight against the USSR, it was a thorn in the side of the Soviet Union for 70 years, an example to the entire world that humanity could develop in a different way. The socialist economy still had "friendly countries" and other undecided countries on its balance sheet, exorbitant expenditures on arms (and back then, this was a truly necessary burden). If the USSR had carried out a NEP-style economic reform, with private ownership of the means of production, small and medium-sized businesses, we would now have some kind of "Sweden or Norway" And why, easy?, as always, the people are dark and ignorant, betrayal and bribery, global lies and naive belief in freebies and free cheese.